[SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's

Sam Roffe sroffe at seanet.com
Mon Mar 18 16:02:55 PDT 2013


There would be the weather.... <grin>


On 3/18/13 3:49 PM, "Jon Kasprick" <metsnd4u at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Even the short reports often have a "Posted" time, then shortly after, an
> "Updated" time.
> Just think, if there were no news reports, we would have so much less to
> complain about ... how boring ;-)
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> Jon.
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>   From: "UplinkAl at aol.com" <UplinkAl at aol.com>
>  To: sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org
>  Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 3:23 PM
>  Subject: Re: [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's
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> It would seem that many reporters (and newsdesks) are more concerned with
> getting it on the air FIRST rather than RIGHT. They can always recant later.
> Which follows immediately after "If it bleeds....it leads"
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> Allan Freedman
> Seattle, WA
> 206-683-8500 (cell-mobile)
> uplinkal at aol.com
> www.uplinkal.tv 
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> In a message dated 3/18/2013 3:19:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> k7cr at blarg.net writes:
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>> I don¹t think that ethics are at  the core of the story that KING-5 ranŠbut,
>> perhaps - In a hurry electronic  reporting- is.    This is a quasi-technical
>> issue and therefore  will produce some eye-glaze at the outset.   This thread
>> has been  going around for some time and KING simply followed along without
>> questioning  whether or not what they were reporting was valid or plausible.
>> Sure they could have researched the matter, made a call to a local consulting
>> firm (perhaps Hatfield and Dawson) to find out moreŠor could have gone to
>> their own engineering department.   Knowing a bit how these minds  function,
>> that was not likely to take place.   I recall a local  Seattle TV reporter
>> talking about utility power failures.  The poor  reporter had just learned
>> their second electrical word (The first one was  Œshort¹) Š.¹Transformer¹
>> Š.They went on and on explaining how transformers  were at the core of the
>> problemŠI did not know whether to shake my head and  turn off the setŠ.or to
>> listen to it all to gain material for Clay¹s  Corner.   To ask a technophobe
>> to explain something technical is  like going to your auto mechanic to
>> diagnose a medical condition  !
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>> SoŠ I will cut them some slack  with the knowledge that even if they got it
>> right, those that they were  reporting to (their viewers) likely don¹t care,
>> or, would not understand  anyway.
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>> The real issue here is that  there are those that are going to see/hear/read
>> this story and assume it¹s  gospel and get Ramsey on the phone to order their
>> new radio station  kit.     Eventually the truth of this matter will leak out
>> (without the help of local TV stations) resulting in a new collection of
>> pissed-off people who are going to feel strongly that they have been mislead
>> by their government because their bubble has been deflated.  Perhaps the
>> best thing we can do is tell them that it¹s GWB¹s fault?
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>> Clay
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>> From:  sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org
>> [mailto:sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org] On Behalf Of Jon  Kasprick
>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:51 PM
>> To: SBE  Chapter 16 Members and Others
>> Subject: Re: [SBE16-Seattle]  LPFM's
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>> Long  gone are the firm ethics of journalism from some (not all) modern media
>> reporting. At least the values that seemed to be in place a few decades ago.
>> That ship has sailed - maybe a vacation cruiser abandoned in the ocean with
>> engine damage caused by a defective 10 cent O-ring. Just saying  ...
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>> Unfortunately,  it's now just too time-consuming to verify certain data items
>> contained in  news reports - so I hear. But, doesn't the internet reduce the
>> research time?   Is part of this rationalization that the least common
>> consumer has no  understanding, or concern, about these details? You know,
>> the details that  engineers and attorneys thrive upon.
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>> Frustration  aside, the LPFMs are here and they present new challenges to not
>> only  engineering, but programming folks. Not only will there be interference
>> issues, but there will likely be a change in the community issues and
>> concerns  addressed by commercial stations. They will be reacting to a
>> changing, more  outspoken if you will, community base.
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>> The  FCC has done a great job recognizing and disarming the over-zealous
>> organizations that insist upon their message being heard above all. However,
>> there are still activists or evangelists that are promoting LPFM as a means
>> to  fight corporate media. That's not going away. When I hear legitimate
>> community  groups wanting to provide their service through an LPFM, I listen
>> closely for  signs of misinformation - it's deafening! Many have been misled,
>> or not given  critical information, thereby leading them to false hopes and
>> misguided  efforts.
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>> Over  the next few months, many of us may be asked about LPFMs. The FCC rules
>> are  now clear, but most people will have no idea how to interpret them. It
>> may be  in our best interest to, at least, know who is promoting LPFM with
>> firm  ethics, and who is just banging their drum to get LPFM application
>> business. I  believe LPFM can co-exist among commercial and NCE services. The
>> FCC, and  broadcasters, will be busy playing Whack-A-Mole with the
>> bad-actors, but  that's a small price for community pride and nurturing of
>> the next generation  of journalists.
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>> Whoever  put the quarter in me may want it back now ;-)
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>> Jon  Kasprick
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>> From: "UplinkAl at aol.com" <UplinkAl at aol.com>
>> To: sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org
>> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:31 PM
>> Subject: Re:  [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's
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>> Tune  in to KCPQ-Fox 13 Morning, Afternoon and Evening News Casts. You ain't
>> seen  nothing' yet. ARGHHH !
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>> Allan  Freedman
>> Seattle,  WA
>> 206-683-8500 (cell-mobile)
>> uplinkal at aol.com
>> www.uplinkal.tv <http://www.uplinkal.tv/>
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>> In a  message dated 3/17/2013 5:29:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> IMAEngineer at comcast.net  writes:
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>>> Very  well said stevenŠ..It¹s like a train wreck: Where is the
>>> blood?????That  said, all we can do is pass on to the masses when asked,
>>> what is the real  story.
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>>> Mike
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>>> From: sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org
>>> [mailto:sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org]  On Behalf Of Stephen S.
>>> Lockwood
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 4:14  PM
>>> To: Jon Kasprick; SBE Chapter 16 Members and Others
>>> Subject: Re:  [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's
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>>> I  love it when "corporate media" beats up on "corporate media".    Another
>>> great example of journalism - every time these folks (not just King  5) open
>>> their mouth about anything I know they get it WRONG.  But that  does not
>>> stop me form listening to rest of the news cast with my mouth open  in awe
>>> of their in depth journalism.
>>> Stephen S. Lockwood, P.E.
>>> Hatfield & Dawson Consulting Engineers
>>> 9500 Greenwood Ave N
>>> Seattle, WA, USA
>>> Phone 206 783 9151
>>> www.hatdaw.com <http://www.hatdaw.com/>
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>>> On  3/17/2013 1:04 PM, Jon Kasprick wrote:
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>>>> This  is another example of irresponsible reporting! Thank You King 5
>>>> "News"! Do  your F'n research!
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>>>> I  think we all know that this is not possible within the Seattle area.
>>>> These  organizations promoting the "public's right to free radio" are
>>>> overflowing  with snake oil and bilking their "clients" from the funds they
>>>> need for  their internet radio content. Must be a simple oversight that
>>>> they didn't  mention any of the REAL requirements for LPFM  ownership.
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>>>> Anyone  willing to attend their meetings as the voice of reality? Be
>>>> careful, the  promoters are familiar with tactics used by political and
>>>> religious  band-wagon drivers.
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>>>> Jon.
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>>>> From:  Kelly Alford <alfords at seanet.com> <mailto:alfords at seanet.com>
>>>> To: 'SBE Chapter 16  Members and Others' <sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org>
>>>> <mailto:sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday,  March 14, 2013 3:21 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [SBE16-Seattle]  LPFM's
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>>>> That  and I predict in about two years:
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>>>> * The FCC will  be adding two more pages to the FM Silent Station list.
>>>> * Calvary  Chapel and KLove in Washington State will have reached cellular
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>>>> -----Original  Message-----
>>>> From: sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org
>>>> [mailto:sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org] On Behalf Of  Rob Purdy
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 02:40 AM
>>>> To: sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org
>>>> Subject: Re:  [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's
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>>>> FWIW 128  zip codes.  Or 1024 stations.  Enforcement of the rules is  gonna
>>>> be  interesting.....
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>>>> Rob
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>>>> From:  twspring at prodigy.net
>>>> To: sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org
>>>> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013  23:18:52 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's
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>>>> Only  if you suspend the laws of physics.
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>>>> Terry
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>>>>> -----  Original Message -----
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>>>>> From:  Clay Freinwald <mailto:k7cr at blarg.net>
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>>>>> To:  SBE Chapter 16  Members and Others
>>>>> <mailto:sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org>
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>>>>> Sent:  Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:52  PM
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>>>>> Really  ­ 8 Stations per Zip Code !!!
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>>>>> How  many Zips codes are there in King County ??
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>>>>> Can  someone please explain to me how this is possible?
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>>>>> http://www.king5.com/news/local/Tiny-radio-stations-to-give-voice-to-King-
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