[SBE16-Seattle] FW: LPFM's

Clay Freinwald k7cr at blarg.net
Mon Mar 18 16:09:31 PDT 2013


Forwarding to the SBE16 Members Remailer – Permission granted by Greg Thies - Clay

 

From: Thies, Greg [mailto:gthies at king5.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 4:02 PM
To: Clay Freinwald
Subject: RE: [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's

 

Thanks Clay. And sure... 

 

From: Clay Freinwald [mailto:k7cr at blarg.net] 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 3:58 PM
To: Thies, Greg
Subject: RE: [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's

 

Thanks for jumping in, Greg.   

 

The good news is that KING-5 was not the first outfit to run this story….They, essentially, repeated a very hard to believe/swallow story like those before them.   Again, how were they to know that what they were saying was wrong…This is light years away from their expertise.    Engineers, by nature, find those that are selling snake-oil or otherwise violating the laws of physics something to criticize.

 

Can I forward this to the Remailer ….After all I’m not the only one making comments.

 

Clay

 

From: Thies, Greg [mailto:gthies at king5.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 3:47 PM
To: k7cr at blarg.net
Subject: RE: [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's

 

Thanks for adding a little perspective to this. I'm not sure where or how the info we used did or did not get properly vetted, I've reached out to our editorial folks to find out. But in the spirit of "media" not beating up on "media", some of the language and side opinions in the thread has been  disconcerting -- especially since we're all "Broadcast engineers"  --  and the quick reaction by some inside our local SBE community  to wholesale diss  one the major things that generates revenue and helps keep local TV and radio in business, and people employed, seems equally irresponsible. I've purposely not jumped in to  it ... probably wouldn't send a rational response myself because some of the early discussion on the thread ticked me off.  Again -- Thanks for the straightforward words

 

From: sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org [mailto:sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org] On Behalf Of Clay Freinwald
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 3:20 PM
To: 'Jon Kasprick'; 'SBE Chapter 16 Members and Others'
Subject: Re: [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's

 

I don’t think that ethics are at the core of the story that KING-5 ran…but, perhaps - In a hurry electronic reporting- is.    This is a quasi-technical issue and therefore will produce some eye-glaze at the outset.   This thread has been going around for some time and KING simply followed along without questioning whether or not what they were reporting was valid or plausible.   Sure they could have researched the matter, made a call to a local consulting firm (perhaps Hatfield and Dawson) to find out more…or could have gone to their own engineering department.   Knowing a bit how these minds function, that was not likely to take place.   I recall a local Seattle TV reporter talking about utility power failures.  The poor reporter had just learned their second electrical word (The first one was ‘short’) ….’Transformer’ ….They went on and on explaining how transformers were at the core of the problem…I did not know whether to shake my head and turn off the set….or to listen to it all to gain material for Clay’s Corner.   To ask a technophobe to explain something technical is like going to your auto mechanic to diagnose a medical condition !

 

So… I will cut them some slack with the knowledge that even if they got it right, those that they were reporting to (their viewers) likely don’t care, or, would not understand anyway.

 

The real issue here is that there are those that are going to see/hear/read this story and assume it’s gospel and get Ramsey on the phone to order their new radio station kit.     Eventually the truth of this matter will leak out (without the help of local TV stations) resulting in a new collection of pissed-off people who are going to feel strongly that they have been mislead by their government because their bubble has been deflated.  Perhaps the best thing we can do is tell them that it’s GWB’s fault?

 

Clay

 

From: sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org [mailto:sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org] On Behalf Of Jon Kasprick
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:51 PM
To: SBE Chapter 16 Members and Others
Subject: Re: [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's

 

Long gone are the firm ethics of journalism from some (not all) modern media reporting. At least the values that seemed to be in place a few decades ago. That ship has sailed - maybe a vacation cruiser abandoned in the ocean with engine damage caused by a defective 10 cent O-ring. Just saying ...

 

Unfortunately, it's now just too time-consuming to verify certain data items contained in news reports - so I hear. But, doesn't the internet reduce the research time?  Is part of this rationalization that the least common consumer has no understanding, or concern, about these details? You know, the details that engineers and attorneys thrive upon.

 

Frustration aside, the LPFMs are here and they present new challenges to not only engineering, but programming folks. Not only will there be interference issues, but there will likely be a change in the community issues and concerns addressed by commercial stations. They will be reacting to a changing, more outspoken if you will, community base.

 

The FCC has done a great job recognizing and disarming the over-zealous organizations that insist upon their message being heard above all. However, there are still activists or evangelists that are promoting LPFM as a means to fight corporate media. That's not going away. When I hear legitimate community groups wanting to provide their service through an LPFM, I listen closely for signs of misinformation - it's deafening! Many have been misled, or not given critical information, thereby leading them to false hopes and misguided efforts.

 

Over the next few months, many of us may be asked about LPFMs. The FCC rules are now clear, but most people will have no idea how to interpret them. It may be in our best interest to, at least, know who is promoting LPFM with firm ethics, and who is just banging their drum to get LPFM application business. I believe LPFM can co-exist among commercial and NCE services. The FCC, and broadcasters, will be busy playing Whack-A-Mole with the bad-actors, but that's a small price for community pride and nurturing of the next generation of journalists.

 

Whoever put the quarter in me may want it back now ;-)

Jon Kasprick

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From: "UplinkAl at aol.com" <UplinkAl at aol.com>
To: sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's

 

Tune in to KCPQ-Fox 13 Morning, Afternoon and Evening News Casts. You ain't seen nothing' yet. ARGHHH !

 

Allan Freedman
Seattle, WA
206-683-8500 (cell-mobile)
uplinkal at aol.com
www.uplinkal.tv <http://www.uplinkal.tv/>  

 

In a message dated 3/17/2013 5:29:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, IMAEngineer at comcast.net writes:

Very well said steven…..It’s like a train wreck: Where is the blood?????That said, all we can do is pass on to the masses when asked, what is the real story.

Mike

 

 

From: sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org [mailto:sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org] On Behalf Of Stephen S. Lockwood
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 4:14 PM
To: Jon Kasprick; SBE Chapter 16 Members and Others
Subject: Re: [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's

 

I love it when "corporate media" beats up on "corporate media".   Another great example of journalism - every time these folks (not just King 5) open their mouth about anything I know they get it WRONG.  But that does not stop me form listening to rest of the news cast with my mouth open in awe of their in depth journalism.  

Stephen S. Lockwood, P.E.
Hatfield & Dawson Consulting Engineers
9500 Greenwood Ave N
Seattle, WA, USA
Phone 206 783 9151
www.hatdaw.com <http://www.hatdaw.com/> 

On 3/17/2013 1:04 PM, Jon Kasprick wrote:

This is another example of irresponsible reporting! Thank You King 5 "News"! Do your F'n research!

 

I think we all know that this is not possible within the Seattle area. These organizations promoting the "public's right to free radio" are overflowing with snake oil and bilking their "clients" from the funds they need for their internet radio content. Must be a simple oversight that they didn't mention any of the REAL requirements for LPFM ownership.

 

Anyone willing to attend their meetings as the voice of reality? Be careful, the promoters are familiar with tactics used by political and religious band-wagon drivers.

 

Jon.


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From: Kelly Alford  <mailto:alfords at seanet.com> <alfords at seanet.com>
To: 'SBE Chapter 16 Members and Others'  <mailto:sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org> <sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org> 
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's

 

That and I predict in about two years:

 

*	The FCC will be adding two more pages to the FM Silent Station list. 
*	Calvary Chapel and KLove in Washington State will have reached cellular status 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org [mailto:sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org] On Behalf Of Rob Purdy
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 02:40 AM
To: sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org
Subject: Re: [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's

 

FWIW 128 zip codes.  Or 1024 stations.  Enforcement of the rules is gonna be interesting.....
 
 
Rob
 


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From: twspring at prodigy.net
To: sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:18:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's

Only if you suspend the laws of physics.

 

Terry

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Clay Freinwald <mailto:k7cr at blarg.net>  

To: SBE Chapter 16 Members and Others <mailto:sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org>  

Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:52 PM

Subject: [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's

 



Really – 8 Stations per Zip Code !!!

 

How many Zips codes are there in King County ??

 

Can someone please explain to me how this is possible?

 

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Tiny-radio-stations-to-give-voice-to-King-County-communities-197895991.html

 

Clay

 

 


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