[SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's

Clay Freinwald k7cr at blarg.net
Mon Mar 18 16:13:09 PDT 2013


Did you say – Weather Forecaster, or was that Stock Broker – Then why is it that Lawyers and Doctors only ‘practice’ ??

 

From: sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org [mailto:sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org] On Behalf Of UplinkAl at aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 4:04 PM
To: sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org
Subject: Re: [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's

 

ah yes, one of the few jobs where you can be wrong all the time and still get paid!

 

Allan Freedman
Seattle, WA
206-683-8500 (cell-mobile)
uplinkal at aol.com
www.uplinkal.tv 

 

In a message dated 3/18/2013 4:03:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sroffe at seanet.com writes:

There would be the weather.... <grin>


On 3/18/13 3:49 PM, "Jon Kasprick" <metsnd4u at yahoo.com> wrote:

Even the short reports often have a "Posted" time, then shortly after, an "Updated" time.
Just think, if there were no news reports, we would have so much less to complain about ... how boring ;-)

Jon.
  
 

  


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 From: "UplinkAl at aol.com" <UplinkAl at aol.com>
 To: sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org 
 Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 3:23 PM
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It would seem that many reporters (and newsdesks) are more concerned with getting it on the air FIRST rather than RIGHT. They can always recant later. Which follows immediately after "If it bleeds....it leads"

Allan Freedman
Seattle, WA
206-683-8500 (cell-mobile)
uplinkal at aol.com
www.uplinkal.tv 
 
In a message dated 3/18/2013 3:19:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, k7cr at blarg.net writes:


 
I don’t think that ethics are at  the core of the story that KING-5 ran…but, perhaps - In a hurry electronic  reporting- is.    This is a quasi-technical issue and therefore  will produce some eye-glaze at the outset.   This thread has been  going around for some time and KING simply followed along without questioning  whether or not what they were reporting was valid or plausible.    Sure they could have researched the matter, made a call to a local consulting  firm (perhaps Hatfield and Dawson) to find out more…or could have gone to  their own engineering department.   Knowing a bit how these minds  function, that was not likely to take place.   I recall a local  Seattle TV reporter talking about utility power failures.  The poor  reporter had just learned their second electrical word (The first one was  ‘short’) ….’Transformer’ ….They went on and on explaining how transformers  were at the core of the problem…I did not know whether to shake my head and  turn off the set….or to listen to it all to gain material for Clay’s  Corner.   To ask a technophobe to explain something technical is  like going to your auto mechanic to diagnose a medical condition  !
 
  
  
So… I will cut them some slack  with the knowledge that even if they got it right, those that they were  reporting to (their viewers) likely don’t care, or, would not understand  anyway.
  
  
  
The real issue here is that  there are those that are going to see/hear/read this story and assume it’s  gospel and get Ramsey on the phone to order their new radio station  kit.     Eventually the truth of this matter will leak out  (without the help of local TV stations) resulting in a new collection of  pissed-off people who are going to feel strongly that they have been mislead  by their government because their bubble has been deflated.  Perhaps the  best thing we can do is tell them that it’s GWB’s fault?
  
  
  
Clay
  
  
  
 
 
From:  sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org  [mailto:sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org] On Behalf Of Jon  Kasprick
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:51 PM
To: SBE  Chapter 16 Members and Others
Subject: Re: [SBE16-Seattle]  LPFM's
 
  
  
 
 
Long  gone are the firm ethics of journalism from some (not all) modern media  reporting. At least the values that seemed to be in place a few decades ago.  That ship has sailed - maybe a vacation cruiser abandoned in the ocean with  engine damage caused by a defective 10 cent O-ring. Just saying  ...
 
 
 
 
 
Unfortunately,  it's now just too time-consuming to verify certain data items contained in  news reports - so I hear. But, doesn't the internet reduce the research time?   Is part of this rationalization that the least common consumer has no  understanding, or concern, about these details? You know, the details that  engineers and attorneys thrive upon.
 
 
 
 
 
Frustration  aside, the LPFMs are here and they present new challenges to not only  engineering, but programming folks. Not only will there be interference  issues, but there will likely be a change in the community issues and concerns  addressed by commercial stations. They will be reacting to a changing, more  outspoken if you will, community base.
 
 
 
 
 
The  FCC has done a great job recognizing and disarming the over-zealous  organizations that insist upon their message being heard above all. However,  there are still activists or evangelists that are promoting LPFM as a means to  fight corporate media. That's not going away. When I hear legitimate community  groups wanting to provide their service through an LPFM, I listen closely for  signs of misinformation - it's deafening! Many have been misled, or not given  critical information, thereby leading them to false hopes and misguided  efforts.
 
 
 
 
 
Over  the next few months, many of us may be asked about LPFMs. The FCC rules are  now clear, but most people will have no idea how to interpret them. It may be  in our best interest to, at least, know who is promoting LPFM with firm  ethics, and who is just banging their drum to get LPFM application business. I  believe LPFM can co-exist among commercial and NCE services. The FCC, and  broadcasters, will be busy playing Whack-A-Mole with the bad-actors, but  that's a small price for community pride and nurturing of the next generation  of journalists.
 
 
 
 
 
Whoever  put the quarter in me may want it back now ;-)
 
 
Jon  Kasprick
 
 
 
  

 


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From: "UplinkAl at aol.com" <UplinkAl at aol.com>
To: sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org  
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:31 PM
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Tune  in to KCPQ-Fox 13 Morning, Afternoon and Evening News Casts. You ain't seen  nothing' yet. ARGHHH !
  
 
 
  
 
Allan  Freedman
Seattle,  WA
206-683-8500 (cell-mobile)
uplinkal at aol.com
www.uplinkal.tv  <http://www.uplinkal.tv/> <http://www.uplinkal.tv/>  
  
 
 
  
 
 
In a  message dated 3/17/2013 5:29:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, IMAEngineer at comcast.net  writes:
  


 
 
Very  well said steven…..It’s like a train wreck: Where is the blood?????That  said, all we can do is pass on to the masses when asked, what is the real  story.
 
 
Mike
 
 

 
 

 
 
 
 
From: sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org  [mailto:sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org]  On Behalf Of Stephen S. Lockwood
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 4:14  PM
To: Jon Kasprick; SBE Chapter 16 Members and Others
Subject: Re:  [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's
 
 
 
  
 
 
I  love it when "corporate media" beats up on "corporate media".    Another great example of journalism - every time these folks (not just King  5) open their mouth about anything I know they get it WRONG.  But that  does not stop me form listening to rest of the news cast with my mouth open  in awe of their in depth journalism.  
Stephen S. Lockwood, P.E.
Hatfield & Dawson Consulting Engineers
9500 Greenwood Ave N
Seattle, WA, USA
Phone 206 783 9151
www.hatdaw.com  <http://www.hatdaw.com/> <http://www.hatdaw.com/> 
  
 
On  3/17/2013 1:04 PM, Jon Kasprick wrote:
  


 
 
 
This  is another example of irresponsible reporting! Thank You King 5 "News"! Do  your F'n research!
  
 
 
 
  
 
 
I  think we all know that this is not possible within the Seattle area. These  organizations promoting the "public's right to free radio" are overflowing  with snake oil and bilking their "clients" from the funds they need for  their internet radio content. Must be a simple oversight that they didn't  mention any of the REAL requirements for LPFM  ownership.
  
 
 
 
  
 
 
Anyone  willing to attend their meetings as the voice of reality? Be careful, the  promoters are familiar with tactics used by political and religious  band-wagon drivers.
  
 
 
 
  
 
 
Jon.
  
 
 
  

 


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From:  Kelly Alford <alfords at seanet.com>  <mailto:alfords at seanet.com> <mailto:alfords at seanet.com> 
To: 'SBE Chapter 16  Members and Others' <sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org>  <mailto:sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org> <mailto:sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org>  
Sent: Thursday,  March 14, 2013 3:21 AM
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That  and I predict in about two years:
 
 
 

 

*	The FCC will  be adding two more pages to the FM Silent Station list.     
*	Calvary  Chapel and KLove in Washington State will have reached cellular status  

 
 
 

 
 
 
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From: sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org [mailto:sbe16-seattle-bounces at sea.sbe16.org] On Behalf Of  Rob Purdy
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 02:40 AM
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FWIW 128  zip codes.  Or 1024 stations.  Enforcement of the rules is  gonna be  interesting.....
 
 
Rob
 
 
 
  

 


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From:  twspring at prodigy.net
To: sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013  23:18:52 -0700
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Only  if you suspend the laws of physics.
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
Terry
 


 
 
 
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From:  Clay Freinwald  <mailto:k7cr at blarg.net> <mailto:k7cr at blarg.net>   
  
 
 
 
To:  SBE Chapter 16  Members and Others  <mailto:sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org> <mailto:sbe16-seattle at sea.sbe16.org>  
  
 
 
 
Sent:  Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:52  PM
  
 
 
 
Subject:  [SBE16-Seattle] LPFM's
  
 
 
 

 
 
 

 
 
 
 
Really  – 8 Stations per Zip Code !!!
 
 
 

 
 
 
How  many Zips codes are there in King County ??
 
 
 

 
 
 
Can  someone please explain to me how this is possible?
 
 
 

 
 
 
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Tiny-radio-stations-to-give-voice-to-King-County-communities-197895991.html
 
 
 

 
 
 
Clay
 
 
 

 
 
 

 
  

 


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